When were heard that former DICE Developers were members of the Dust 514 team we were more than encouraged. Why? While BF3 is not a perfect game it has some of the best gameplay from a shooter to date. We can't think of a better standard in terms of replicating core shooter mechanics.
While tiny player numbers, communication, shots to kill and unbalanced weapons are some of the complaints regarding BF3, few would complain about the best knife in FPS, great graphics, movement, shooting mechanics, weapons library and overall feel of gameplay in BF3. One of the true highlights is The Suppression Effect. Here's some video: Suppression. The general premise behind suppression is pretty brilliant. For the longest time in shooters, there wasn't a proper way to simulate the stress and disorientation we experience when getting shot at, for all intents and purposes either you got hit or you didn't and you reacted accordingly. There wasn't a reason to get your head down or to feel any anxiety from enemy fire zipping past your head. BF3 changed all of that by not only clouding your screen when being suppressed, but also by affecting aim.
Together it results in a feeling that no shooter before or since has duplicated. It would certainly be a welcome addition to a game like Dust 514 that seems to be aiming for a brand of revolutionary gameplay in its own right. We'd love to see suppression or something similar. At its core, despite its promised depth, Dust must be atleast a solid shooter, but it will be all the more enjoyable if its a great one.
solid read. i hope we do see it.
ReplyDeletei agree. suppression is one of the well done parts of bf.
ReplyDeletebest knife bf3??? seriously? The knife in BF3 may look cool but in all reality takes no skill and very lame. Give me a real knife that I can use myself (like in MAG) not some computer simulated screen I have to watch over and over again. Who wants a knife that is only truly effective from behind? I like my prey to see me coming!
ReplyDeleteIt is unlikely suppression effect will be in Dust 514. In Dust you are not a normal human being who has been given 9 months of military training. Essentially you are a super soldier, with NO FEAR of death, because you are immortal. So much so that suiciding yourself for kicks loses its appeal ages ago.
ReplyDeleteIn many ways shooters up until Dust did not make any sense, as no real soldier would risk their lives in the way people bunny hop around in shooter games. In dust their is a lore reason, immortality. That and drop suits are indescribably tough by todays standards.
I loved MAG's Knife... some may remember me! But BF3's knife was way more realistic.
ReplyDeleteSometimes realism isn't the desired effect. Sometimes you just want a fun game mechanic, which was the MAG knife.
BF3 made a much more realistic knife... that essentially said.. if the guy has a gun out, and you have a knife.. 99% of the time your dead.... unless you can out maneuver him and get behind him. And if someone is being knifed... he can be saved.
Mag's knife was stupid... but hell if it wasn't a ton of fun!
yeah i prefer the bf3 knife way more. COD is fun too. its also horrible.
ReplyDeleteYou're probably right that suppression wont make it in by retail, but we disagree somewhat regarding soldiers being immune to it. the mechanic isnt solely based on fear, but also on being disoriented by close enemy fire.
ReplyDelete@AnonymousMay While maybe theres no fear of death, dont forget theres a fear of lost. When killed you lose your equipment, implants, sometimes even skill points if your clone isnt updated or, in EVe, when flying a strategic cruiser, not to mention death costs isk. Never forget that in the EVE universe death has consequence, unlike other games, wich is what makes the game great, the thrill of a comat where if you die you actually lose something.
ReplyDeletewho's the idiot up above that called bf3 knife easy? its the only one that takes skill, genius. u prefer mag's because one swipe can kill 3 people and you probly can't aim. mag knife was the worst in shooters.
ReplyDeletecan't argue there. MAG had a great concept but both the knife and timely support were embarassingly bad.
ReplyDeleteI don't see how it could be brought into the game, gameplay wise it would be interesting, but if you think about it, the universe of Eve would probably has enhance drugs, implants, maybe something in the dropsuet,merc training, or a whole number of things that could combat the stress that comes with batting and under heavy fire, beside, don't you think after awhile, after you died many times such things don't bother you?
ReplyDeletewhat kinda idiot says the bf3 knife has no skill? u sir are an idiot.
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ReplyDeleteSuppresion in Dust 514? Great!! but, it should be a bit different from the bf3 because, for example, on BF3 if you're behind a wall and any enemy shoots you all the time, you're all the time "suppressed" I think you should be suppressed a limited time if anybody are shooting to you without hit you, because you can feel "bad" some time while somebody is shooting you, but you was trained, so you dont will think about getting behind cover forever.
On a few words, I will enjoy suppresion in Dust, but If you gets suppressed without get hit, the "suppression effect" should dissapear on a few seconds or decrease if you get stopped a few seconds
PS: sorry by my bad english
I would very much like this.
ReplyDeleteNO. current suppression in BF is bs since they accidentally buffed it last patch (said they were gonna tone it down....still waiting) And from the videos it takes alot more to put a soldier down in DUST so having ur bullets magically miss even tho u still manage to line up ur crosshairs through the blurr effect is dumb an thats exactly how suppression works now in BF3 since the patch u can be 5ft away once suppressed half ur bullets or more will magically miss.
ReplyDeleteBlurr effect is good in BF, random redirection of bullets isnt.
Suppression wont work in DUST tbh
I disagree wholeheartedly, BF3 was a failure on so many levels it was unreal! Biggest gaming disappointment of 2011. As for the knife in BF3, the best in an FPS to date, really?!?! To be effective with the knife you have to hit the button way before you are in realistic range and in very CQC it often doesnt score a hit at all. As for the suppression effect in BF3 it works OK in that it is the only real factor that works well as a result of a team effort (everything else is a one-man run and gun show).
ReplyDeleteAll I want from Dust is solid gameplay that does require true team play (not the poor excuse that is in BF3), no/very limited lag (i.e. a unique experience from playing MAG or BF3). I couldnt care less about immaculate graphics, groundbreaking rendering or a vast array of unique weapons to choose from. Please, CCP, just give us a solid game that is technically sound, support it well and the community will be well and truly behind you.
what u say about graphics and lag and is good point. but i disagree about BF3 knife. its the only one that takes skill.
ReplyDeleteTo the above, sorry but a knife action that is basically a short cut-scene is not an act dependant on skill, infact it depends more on the lag differences between the players than any sort of skill. The kniving action in BF3 is flawed in exactly the same way as it is in KZ3. In a balanced game everything should have a counter, the knife is a 'first to hit the button' sort of feature in BF3 - not skill based.
ReplyDeletewrong again. you have to sneak up on your opponent to use it. also, a knife vs a gun is bad for the knife user 99.9% of the time, and it should be. let me guess, you prefer the mag samurai sword that you can pull out while you shoot? its more based on skill right?
ReplyDeleteno you do not have to sneak up on someone, the enemy player just has to be unaware of you - important difference there. Also, you do not have to be directly behind the enemy and the lag in the game means that you can engage the knive cut scene even when you are side on or even when you are running towards an enemy front on. Haha nice try Chris, assumptions like those above immediately make an ass of yourself - congrats! No the samurai knife in MAG was/is awful (mostly due to lag now). TBH I am not exactly a fan of a knife in a shooter, if you can not draw your side-arm in CQC and beat your enemy then its time to find another game to play or just deal with it.
ReplyDeleteLOL @ Mags Knife... You mean a sword with one strike killing? If u had a gun in your hands and seen some A-hole- running at you with a knife you would just shoot him. The guy with a knife wouldnt one swipe and kill you. Mags knife was a joke, and hell who couldnt be good knifing with it?? You i agree that on battlefield the knife is brilliant because you have to be sneaky, you have catch the guy while he is not aware and shove it in his throat. Tell me when you have heard a soldier in real life saying "He looked right at me and I closed in on him from 50 meters out and BOOM on slice to the mid section and he died instantly" .... NEVER
ReplyDelete@ hotcupofbeast, yup bf3 knife actually takes some skill and rewards you for being stealthy. mcfly is mad because he camps hard and always gets knifed or something.
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